Agenda and minutes

Councillor Bob Grove was elected Chairman for the purpose of the meeting.

No apologies were received.

To receive any declarations of interest.  Members are advised to consider the extract from the Standard Board Code of Conduct for Members, which forms part of the Declaration of Interest Form at the back of this Agenda.  If a Member declares an interest, they should complete that Form and hand it to the Officer clerking the meeting.

There were no declarations of interest.

Officers:-  Philip Bensted – Regulatory Services     Manager

  Jane Bennett – Licensing Team Leader

  Zoe Fennell – Environmental Protection     Officer

  Colin Evans – Assistant Litigation Solicitor

Representative of   Mr Cruttenden – Kent Police

Margate Police:- 

In attendance:-    PC Knell – Margate Police (Licensing         Team)

Applicant:-  Mr Cairns  

In attendance:-    Ms Websper (Partner of Mr Cairns)

The Regulatory Services Manager outlined the report in respect of the Application for Premises Licence – The Ruby Lounge, Duke Street, Margate to the Licensing Sub Committee. 

The Environmental Protection Officer addressed the Licensing Sub Committee.

The Environmental Protection Officer answered questions of the Licensing Sub Committee.

The Regulatory Services Manager answered questions of the Licensing Sub Committee.

The applicant answered questions of the Licensing Sub Committee.

The applicant addressed the Licensing Sub Committee.

The applicant answered questions of the Assistant Litigation Solicitor.

Moved by Councillor Campbell and seconded by Councillor Dwyer that:

“to grant the application with conditions consistent with the Operating Schedule accompanying the application and the conditions mentioned at 2.5 of the report and the additional conditions referred to in the Memo dated 21 December 2011 as follows:

(E)  A sound limiting device to be installed and set by a qualified engineer,   levels to be agreed by Environmental Health.

(F)  Recorded music will finish no later than 23.00hrs with a seasonal   variation as per the application.

  Amplified live performances will finish no later than 23.00 hrs as per the   seasonal variation.

In addition the potential for sound break out from the main doors to the front of the premises (facing The Parade) has not been adequately addressed as part of this application. Therefore, amended plans detailing an internal lobby area, with self closing doors, surrounding entry and egress points to the front of the premises must be submitted for agreement. The doors facing Duke Street should not be used, other that for emergency, during live or recorded music events. The positioning of speakers within the premises is to be agreed by Environmental Health.

(P)  In the interests of preventing public nuisance and to deter patrons from   congregating outside the front of the premises we would recommend   signage advising patrons to leave quietly.

to uphold the four licensing objectives as follows:

The prevention of public nuisance

The prevention of crime and disorder

Public Safety

The protection of children from harm”

MOTION ADOPTED.

Officers:-  Philip Bensted – Regulatory Services     Manager

  Jane Bennett – Licensing Team Leader

  Colin Evans – Assistant Litigation Solicitor

Representative of   Mr Cruttenden – Kent Police

Margate Police:- 

In attendance:-  PC Knell – Licensing Officer (Licensing     Team) 

Applicant:-  Mr S Mahesan 

Representative of

the applicant:-  Mr Rahner (Barrister)

Supporters of the applicant:-  Mr Mathusuthan

  Mr Spalling

Representatives of the

Objectors:-  Mr and Mrs Featherby

Ward Representative:-  Councillor Gibson

The Regulatory Services Manager outlined the report in respect of the Application for Premises Licence – 41 Rydal Avenue, Ramsgate to the Licensing Sub Committee. 

A representative of the objectors addressed the Licensing Sub Committee.

Councillor Gibson, speaking as Ward Councillor addressed the Licensing Sub-Committee.

The Regulatory Services Manager answered questions of the Licensing Sub Committee.

The representative of the objectors answered questions of the Licensing Sub Committee.

The representative of the Police answered questions of the Licensing Sub Committee.

The applicant’s representative asked questions of the representative of the objectors.

The applicant answered questions of the applicant’s representative.

The applicant answered questions of the Licensing Sub Committee.

The Regulatory Services Manager answered questions of the Licensing Sub Committee.

The applicant’s representative asked questions of the applicant’s supporters.

Moved by Councillor Campbell and seconded by Councillor Dwyer that:-

“having considered the four licensing objectives;

The prevention of public nuisance

The prevention of crime and disorder

Public Safety

The protection of children from harm

no reasons can be found to refuse the application which is granted with conditions consistent with the Operating Schedule accompanying the application and the conditions mentioned at 2.5 of the report”

MOTION ADOPTED.

Officers:-  Philip Bensted – Regulatory Services     Manager

  Jane Bennett – Licensing Team Leader

  Zoe Fennell – Environmental Protection     Officer

  Colin Evans – Assistant Litigation Solicitor

Representative of   Mr Cruttenden – Kent Police

Margate Police:- 

In attendance:-  PC Knell – Licensing Officer (Licensing     Team) 

Applicant:-  Mr Scott 

Supporters of

the applicant:-  Damian Redmond – (Marc One – Security)

  Mr Sheldrake

  Mr Graham

  Mr Myhill

  Mr Forrest – (Adult Learning)

  Mr Stafford – (Doorman)

  Mr Morgan (Committee-Seaside Shuffle)

Objectors:-  Mrs Hanshett (Representative of Lovetts)

  Mr Ellis (Representing Residents     - Kingswood Heights)

The Regulatory Services Manager outlined the report in respect of the Application for Premises Licence – St James’ Bar, 3A Broad Street, Ramsgate to the Licensing Sub Committee. 

The representative of the Police addressed the Licensing Sub Committee.

The representative of Environmental Protection addressed the Licensing Sub Committee.

The representative of the objectors (Kingswood Heights) addressed the Licensing Sub Committee.

The representative of the objectors (Lovetts) addressed the Licensing Sub Committee.

The applicant addressed the Licensing Sub Committee.

The representative of Marc One security addressed the Licensing Sub Committee.

The Chairman of ‘Seaside Shuffle’ (supporter of the applicant) addressed the Licensing Sub Committee.

The representative of adult learning (support of the applicant) addressed the Licensing Sub Committee.

The representative of the Committee of ‘Seaside Shuffle’ (supporter of the applicant) addressed the Licensing Sub Committee.

A further supporter for the applicant (Doorman) addressed the Licensing Sub Committee.

The applicant asked questions of the representative of Marc One security.

The Regulatory Services Manager asked questions of the applicant.

The representative of Marc One security answered questions of the Regulatory Services Manager.

The representative of the Police asked questions of the applicant.

The representative of the Police asked questions of the representative of Marc One security.

The representative of the Police asked questions of the applicants supporters.

The representative of Environmental Protection asked questions of the applicant’s supporter (sound technician).

The applicant answered questions of the representative of Environmental Protection.

The Licensing Sub Committee asked questions of the representative of Marc One security.

The representative of Marc One security withdrew from the meeting.

The Licensing Sub Committee asked questions of the applicant.

The representative of the objector (Lovetts) asked questions of the applicant.

The Licensing Sub Committee asked questions of the Regulatory Services Manager.

Moved by Councillor Campbell and seconded by Councillor Dwyer that:-

“to refuse the application for the following reasons:

To uphold the licensing objectives;

The prevention of Crime and Disorder

The Prevention of Public Nuisance

and

there has been a long standing history of crime and disorder associated with these premises and from the evidence we have heard Mr Scott is unable and unwilling to comply  with conditions”

MOTION ADOPTED.